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如果美國在革命戰爭中學會了游擊戰,為什麼南北戰爭的戰鬥技術如此血腥?
composerMike
2016-07-31 14:59:55 UTC
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我的理解(可能是錯誤的)是,在美國內戰中,軍隊是“血腥”的,在這種意義上,士兵沒有撤退或直接被火擊,直到一側被殲滅。如果我錯了,請糾正我。

我很好奇為什麼北方和南方不使用游擊戰鬥技術,我的意思是掩護,散佈等等。技術在革命戰爭中很有幫助。

我對戰鬥歷史的理解可能是錯誤的,但總的來說,我對革命背景被稱為“英格蘭的越南”的歷史背景很感興趣,因為英國軍隊與殖民地士兵相比缺乏靈活性,但不知何故90年後,這些不靈活的戰鬥技術就被使用了。

在美國獨立戰爭中使用游擊戰鬥技術往往被誇大了。幾乎所有重要的戰鬥都是使用傳統的編隊和戰術進行的並贏得了勝利。
聯盟擁有需要保護的固定資產:其工業中心,鐵路網絡和國會大廈,這些國會大廈靠近前線並且幾乎被佔領。邦聯對奴隸的暴動感到恐懼,許多奴隸逃脫並充當了聯盟的間諜和嚮導。
這是一個有趣的問題,但不幸的是,它依賴於“游擊”戰爭的錯誤定義。
考慮一下游擊戰在什麼情況下發生以及它通常如何演變。游擊隊是一種非對稱戰爭,由格外無比的戰鬥員從事,通常*因為*他們無法從事傳統戰爭。這不適用於美國內戰。作為弱得多的部隊採用的策略,它通常會失敗,而如果不這樣做,只要它不說服強大的部隊離開,它通常會演變成傳統戰爭。越南就是一個例子,它以傳統的戰爭策略或ISIS作為現代例子,最終由NVA贏得了勝利。
十 答案:
Luís Henrique
2016-07-31 16:42:44 UTC
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我不說內戰中沒有使用游擊技術是不正確的。斯通沃爾·傑克遜在雪蘭多厄山谷做了什麼?

但是,游擊戰術是有限的。首先,它們在您自己的領土內進行的防禦鬥爭中是足夠的,您在該領土上擁有豐富的地形知識和當地居民的忠誠度。第二,它們有助於消滅敵人,迫使他們分散和浪費材料,加強通信,使他們的部隊士氣低落。但是,您不能用游擊戰術佔領他們的首都。為此,您必須贏得一場常規戰鬥(或在其中引發叛亂;但我保證,這種叛逆將是“血腥”)。

游擊隊是弱者的武器。北方沒有理由以這種方式戰鬥。它壓倒性地更強大,因此傾向於迫使決定性的常規戰役盡快攻破南方。地理密謀反對這一點,他們的部隊與里士滿的目標之間有如此多的河流。但是他們無法在進攻性戰爭中使用它,甚至在防禦中也無法阻止聯盟軍隊的直接前進,為此目的,他們需要常規部隊。畢竟,它們是作為一個常規國家而組織的,有一個首都城市,已建立的市場,正規軍,等級制司令部等。毛派游擊隊。

他們所捍衛的體係將他們的人口劃分為對戰鬥感興趣的較高階層,而不是穿破布和在泥濘中爬行的性格,以及較低階層。有性情,但對爭取事業沒有興趣(相反,有興趣支持敵人)。

因此,簡而言之,當游擊隊看起來有用且可行時,就使用它。由於衝突的性質以及戰爭雙方的性質所施加的限制,它似乎並不太經常有用和可行。

贊!寫得很好且有說服力的答案。
@Spike0xff謝謝。重新閱讀基岡的《戰爭情報》 atm。所以這可能有所幫助...
儘管經過深思熟慮,但不幸的是,這個答案是完全錯誤的。
他們所捍衛的體係將他們的人口劃分為一個較高的階層,該階層有興趣進行戰鬥,但沒有穿破布和在泥濘中爬行的傾向;一個較低的階層,有傾向進行戰鬥,但對戰鬥沒有興趣南方奴隸主是他們今天的“百分之一”。在那些沒有種植園或沒有奴隸的州,有大量的免費白人。
@MasonWheeler並非如此。南部的奴隸主家庭大約是家庭總數的1/3。參見有關該神話的https://deadconfederates.com/2011/04/28/ninety-eight-percent-of-texas-confederate-soldiers-never-owned-a-slave/。
@LuísHenrique這與我在這裡提出的觀點有所不同。它說,大約有20個同盟國中有1個是奴隸主,換句話說就是5%。我將引號放在“ 1%”周圍是有原因的;我並不是要暗示這實際上只是人口的1%,而是奴隸主是有錢的精英,而不是普通公民。
這個答案經常混淆戰術,操作和策略。
@StuartAllan-游擊隊是一種戰術,對某些策略有用,而對其他策略則無用。答案無法精確區分的是游擊隊和使用游擊戰術的常規部隊。但這僅僅是一個答案,而不是關於這個問題的條約。
@Lu'sHenrique我們需要在適當的背景下得出正確的游擊戰定義。拿破崙的西班牙戰役與南北戰爭進行比較可能比革命戰爭產生更豐碩的成果。
@Anaryl是的,這種比較肯定更好。
斯通沃爾·傑克遜沒有參加游擊戰。 (不過,約翰·辛格爾頓·莫斯比(John Singleton Mosby)做到了。
@KorvinStarmast Stonewall是深入滲透攻擊/突襲而不是游擊戰的更好例子。
@StuartAllan也許甚至是“飛行專欄”,但肯定不是游擊戰。
問題不是“內戰為什麼不是游擊戰爭”,而是“內戰為什麼不使用游擊技術”。當然,南航是一支正規軍,而不是游擊隊。他們是一支常規部隊,一支常規部隊。正規軍可以使用游擊技術嗎?我會說是的。 NVA使用它們,不僅是通過越共的代理,而且還用來對抗敵人。這並不意味著他們出於自己的利益而沒有採取常規戰鬥(例如,Tet Offensive)。
@StuartAllan-但斯通沃爾·傑克遜的基本任務是防禦……他扮演聯邦軍在雪蘭多厄河谷逼迫他,以破壞北方部隊在其他地方的集中,在那裡他們可以對CSA發起有效的進攻。
@MasonWheeler在一個有五個人的家庭中,作為一對已婚夫婦和三個孩子-在CSA中並非罕見-只有家族成員-或20%的人-是奴隸主。但是,如果這些孩子能與年齡相稱的男性相處,那麼他們如果拿起武器對付北方,他們中的100%就會“捍衛系統”。
斯通沃爾·傑克遜(Stonewall Jackson)沒有在申南多厄山谷(Shenendoah Valley)進行游擊戰。有人可能會說約翰·辛格爾頓·莫斯比(John Singeleton Mosby)和內森·貝德福德·福雷斯特(Nathan Bedford Forrest)都這樣做。在更西邊,Quantrill使用不規則戰術並保持一定的一致性。由於您的答案沒有改變,因此為-1。
@NathanHughes這不是討論論壇。
Anaryl
2016-08-02 00:51:56 UTC
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Whilst it's an interesting topic, unfortunately, the questions, answers, definitions and many facts are entirely incorrect.

Lets address some of the inaccuracies first and see if we can drill down to what the author is driving at.

My understanding (which could be wrong) is that armies in the U.S. civil war were "bloody" in the sense that soldiers did not retreat or were sent directly into fire, until one side was wiped out.

This is not remotely true. The reason why casualties in the Civil War were so high often had little to do with combat, but rather disease. Here's an interesting random fact:

During the Civil War, diarrhea (Greek, meaning “I flow away”) was the most common and deadly disease. More Civil War soldiers died from diarrhea than were killed in battle. About 1 in 40 cases was fatal. Death came from dehydration, exhaustion, or the rupture of the intestinal wall.

Federal soldiers were over twice as likely to die from disease than combat for the Confederates, were just under half as likely to die from disease. (one source quotes 94000 KIA to 164000 of disease).

Nor were battles in the Civil War often decisive, at least in the terms described by the OP. For example, the Battle of Antietam, one of the bloodiest battles of the war, had a Union Army of 75,300 face the Confederate Army of 52,000. Casualties were: Union: 12,400Confederate: 10,300 1These are certainly exorbitant casualty rates - in excess of 20% KIA, but certainly not

until one side was wiped out.

If we look at the battle of Gettysburg we see similar casualty rates:Total engaged:South: 75,000 (S)North: 82,289

Casualties North: 23,049South: 28,063Total: 51,112

In fact in most wars, battles of annihilation are very uncommon. It's also very rare for commanders to expend the entirety of their armies in combat.

Let's address some of the semantic inaccuracies next.

I'm just curious why the North and South didn't use guerrilla fighting techniques, by which I mean taking cover, spreading out, etc. if these techniques were helpful in the Revolutionary War.

First of all, what you are describing is not guerilla warfare. What you are describing is either modern infantry tactics or skirmishing. This is not irregular warfare necessarily. Wikipedia defines it as:

Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare in which a small group of combatants such as paramilitary personnel, armed civilians, or irregulars use military tactics including ambushes, sabotage, raids, petty warfare, hit-and-run tactics, and mobility to fight a larger and less-mobile traditional military.

Arda Bilgen of Small Wars Journal offers a lengthier analysis of Mao's elements of irregular warfare

To begin with, Mao puts a great deal of emphasis upon three major elements throughout the book. The asymmetry between a conventional and an unconventional force is indeed one of them. Mao sees this power gap as an opportunity rather than a deficit and maintains that “conditions of terrain, climate, and society in general offers obstacles to [invader’s] progress and may be used to advantage by those who oppose him.

In guerilla warfare, we turn these advantages to the purpose of resisting and defeating the enemy.”[i] In other words, he believes it makes critical sense to ‘provoke and bait’ the enemy to unfamiliar territory and circumstances; dragging the enemy into a murky struggle may even be a precondition for victory. Asymmetry, therefore, is not a source for vulnerability for guerrilla. On the contrary, it is an opportunity to stick to the “conservation of his own strength and destruction of enemy strength.”[ii]

For Mao, the second major element that is of crucial importance is the role of ‘people.’ It is made clear that the guerrilla movement is doomed to fail without the support of locals. In Mao’s words, “because guerrilla warfare basically derives from the masses and is supported by them, it can neither exist nor flourish if it separates itself from their sympathies and cooperation.”[iii]

People are the backbone of a guerrilla movement because they constitute the recruitment pool and play an important role in supply and logistics. Also, the struggle is thought to be in the interest of them. The third element Mao emphasizes is the distinct feature of guerrilla warfare. He argues that “the general features of orthodox hostilities, that is, the war of position and the war of movement, differ fundamentally from guerilla warfare…The enemy’s rear is the guerrilla’s front.”[iv]

In this context, Mao maintains that guerrillas should always be constantly active, mobile and alert no matter how inconvenient the conditions of terrain, weather, or communication lines are. Deception, speed and surprises are all potential game changers. Due to their greater independence, mobility, and maneuver capability compared to centralized forces, guerrillas have the ability to inflict psychological damage in addition to physical damage on the enemy. It might at first sight look like their weakness to operate in small groups that can be wiped out in a matter of minutes. However, since they avoid the static dispositions, they can easily and secretly move into the vulnerable rear of the enemy.[v] Mobility, therefore, is a sine qua non principle along with the asymmetry and people, from Mao’s perspective.

Comparing Mao and Kilcullen - Small Wars Journal 17/11/11 - Arda Bilgen

Guevara describes it as

"used by the side which is supported by a majority but which possesses a much smaller number of arms for use in defense against oppression".

The two actors in the Civil War do not fit this bill. Whilst the Confederacy was much, much weaker than the North, they were both near peer state level adversaries. Not only this, but both sides engaged in conventional warfare, seeking to capture and hold territory.

We also need to examine the end-states, or victory conditions for either side. For the South, all that was required for victory was to defeat Union aggression, whereas the North had to effect a reconquest of the South in order to achieve victory. Strategic guerilla warfare (a le Vietnam or the Revolutionary War) was not an option for either actor as it did not help fulfill their victory conditions.

Let's correct something else in another answer

What did Stonewall Jackson do in the Shenandoah Valley?

The Shenandoah Campaign (Bull Run) was unequivocally not a guerilla campaign. It could possibly be described as a 'deep raid', but was ultimately carried out by regular forces in a conventional campaign using maneuver tactics.

That said, there were in fact guerilla actions carried out by partisans on both sides. However, these campaigns were not strategic in nature, and were devolved local actions that were usually detached from the conventional command structure.

Wikipedia describes them as:

In general during the Civil War, this type of irregular warfare was conducted in the hinterland of the Border States (Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and northwestern Virginia / West Virginia). It was marked by a vicious neighbor-against-neighbor quality as other grudges got settled. It was frequent for residents of one part of a single county to take up arms against their counterparts in the rest of the vicinity. Bushwhacking, murder, assault, and terrorism were characteristics of this kind of fighting. Few participants wore uniforms or were formally mustered into the actual armies. In many cases, it was civilian against civilian, or civilian against opposing enemy troops. Wikpedia - Guerilla Warfare during teh Civil War

The author is conflating modern infantry tactics with guerilla warfare. His initial question: "Why didn't the actors in the Civil War conduct irregular warfare?" can be answered with: "well they kind of did" - although there were varying level of attachment to regular forces.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Mississippi_Theater_of_the_American_Civil_War

The reasons for the high casualties were evolving battlefield technology, poor command and control of large armies which American officers had no experience with, and disease. Contact with the enemy was common and bloody but rarely decisive. By the time the Confederacy seriously examined the prospect of irregular warfare on a strategic scale, the war was already lost, and they quite wisely decided to throw in the towel. However, local partisan actions did occur but was as often civilians settling scores with each other or paramilitaries operating behind enemy lines, without formal oversight from the chain of command.

EDIT/part 2

So I think that's only the first part of what the author was really thinking. It was sort of nagging at me over the past couple of days.

So what the author I suppose is really talking about is actually why (if it was) fought with Napoleonic style tactics rather than more modern infantry tactics as we saw evolve over the next century.

So to re-frame the question:

What impact did Civil War Tactics have on casualty rates, and how does this compare to similar conflicts? Were nhe higher casualties rates were a result of disease.

Some commenters and answers were also quite correct in bringing up the smooth-bore rifle, and the advent of rifling and the implications this had for the conduct of warfare.

I also believe that we need to place 'modern' infantry tactics in context as the move from formations of infantry on the battlefield to the evolution of small unit tactics.

So to start with Wikipedia describes the state of tactics at the start of the war.

Traditionally, historians have stated that many generals, particularly early in the war, preferred to use Napoleonic tactics, despite the increased killing power of period weaponry. They marched their men out in tightly closed formations, often with soldiers elbow-to-elbow in double-rank battle lines, usually in brigade (by mid-war numbering about 2,500–3,000 infantrymen) or division (by mid-war numbering about 6,000–10,000 infantrymen) strength. The

This had the consequence on the battlefield that:

This large mass presented an easy target for defenders, who could easily fire several volleys before his enemy would be close enough for hand-to-hand combat. The idea was to close on the enemy's position with this mass of soldiers and charge them with the bayonet, convincing the enemy to leave their position or be killed. At times, these soon-to-be outdated tactics contributed to high casualty lists.

We know that at that outbreak of the war the Union Army was sing the 'Hardee handbook' which still called for soldiers to march shoulder to shoulder. The generals expectations were something akin to the Napoleonic wars. The text of which can be found here Hardee's

John Watts de Peyster advocated making the skirmish line the new line of battle during the Civil War. By the end of the century, fighting in formation had fallen out of vogue and essentially all infantry became skirmishers.

His treatise New American Tactics was a series of articles published in The Army and Navy Journal that advocated making the skirmish line the new line of battle, which was considered revolutionary at the time.[10] These contributions were translated and copied into foreign military journals, including Correard's renowned Biographie des célébrités militaires des armées de terre et de mer. Such tactics were put into practice by generals including John Buford and were later adopted worldwide.[10]

Several innovations were important to the changing conditions on teh battlefield which played a part. We need to look at the evolution of warfare from around the period to track how these changes affected tactics.

For example at Antietam, soldiers were reported to take cover when firing on the enemy. House, stonewalls and even rocks were used as cover by troops rather than fighting in lines.

'Hardee formations' were used for traveling on the battlefield, initially firing by volley from the line. However as the war dragged on soldiers began hiding behind fortifications whenever they could. Once in battle soldiers would take whatever they could find for cover. These formations were still necessary for coordinating large bodies of troops. Command and control on the battlefield was limited to bugle calls an shouting.

The Minie Ball was a major innovation in musketry - allowing a much greater accuracy and rate of fire. The innovation itself drove wider adoption of the rifle, a long reload times no longer were as much of a concern.

Wikipedia describes the physical charac3ersistics of the Minie Ball:

a conical bullet (known as a Minié ball) with a hollow skirt at the base of the bullet. When fired, the skirt would expand from the pressure of the exploding charge and grip the rifling as the round was fired. The better seal gave more power, as less gas escaped past the bullet, which combined with the fact that for the same bore (caliber) diameter a long bullet was heavier than a round ball.

The Minié system allowed conical bullets to be loaded into rifles just as quickly as round balls in smooth bores, which allowed rifle muskets to replace muskets on the battlefield.

The invention of the minie balls in the 1840s solved the slow loading problem, and in the 1850s and 1860s rifles quickly replaced muskets on the battlefield.

The extra grip also spun the bullet more consistently, which increased the range from about 50 yards for a smooth bore musket to about 300 yards for a rifle using the Minié system. The expanding skirt of the Minié ball also solved the problem that earlier tight fitting bullets were difficult to load as black powder residue fouled the inside of the barrel.

There are alternative viewpoints on the efficacy of the rifle in driving tactical innovation. As quoted below, Guelzo believes that the rifle did not maintain a sufficient casualty to to shot ratio to have sufficiently.,

However, historians such as Allen C. Guelzo reject this traditional criticism of Civil War infantry tactics. Casualty estimates compared with expended ammunition from battles indicate 1 casualty for every 250–300 shots discharged, not a dramatic improvement over Napoleonic casualty rates. No contemporary accounts indicate that engagement ranges with substantial casualties between infantry occurred at ranges beyond Napoleonic engagement ranges.

The historian claims that until the advent of smokeless powder, generals were not able to take advantage of the full potential of rifles. Wikipedia describes his conclusions:

Thus Guelzo doubts that contemporary military leaders blatantly ignored technological advances. Rather, Guelzo argued that in actual battlefield conditions, until the development of smokeless powder, the benefits of rifling were largely nullified. Therefore, generals did not alter their tactics not due to ignorance, but because the battlefield had not changed substantially from the Napoleonic era

Others argue that the rifle madeimportant contributions, such as.Wall of Fire - Evolution of Civil War Tactics-sic Major Richard E. KerrIn his paper " see above" - Kerr argues the rifle definitely had a role, and gives us a detailed account of how in the Maryland campaign this had dramatic consequences on tactics.

Major Kerr goes to great detail on this very topic in his paper Wall of Fire, examining the use of the rifle on infantry tactics in the civil war. Kerr examines a number of factors, and describes the debate between whether the rifle was the driver of the new tactics of fortification, or whether the new tactics came before the widespread adoption of the rifle.

He states that at Antietam :

Based on comments from the Operational Records, units often ran out of ammunition, they used Hardee's drills to get around the battlefield, but the soldiers fought from covered and concealed positions whenever possible. Fighting in the open, standing up, resulted in exceptional casualties.

So around 1862 we see unit tactics under fire evolving and commanders were moving away from the Napoleonic formation warfare as prescribed by Hardee, and towards fighting from cover ; the use of fortifications also became common place. Rifles still had a longer reloading time and naturally the soldiers felt more comfortable behind some kind of shelter from the now more discriminate rifle fire.

One of the primary innovations of civil war tactics during the war was the widespread use of fortifications to contain the enemy armies. These preceded the use the of trench war, although the Americans had yet to fully capitalise on or develop the automatic machine gun.

To revist the central question, did new infantry tactics cause high casualties rates> Not so much, the rifle had an impact on the way the war was conducted but some data suggests it wasn't considerably more lethal than the smoothbore musket until the advent of smokeless powder. Prior to this large units with rifles would obscure the battlefield over time with thick white smoke, negating its range benefits.

The minnie ball itself was also an important innovation. It seems that there were a cluster of innovations surrounding small-arms at this time that were all important contributors to the evolution of tactics.

Effects on military thought

There is a correlation between the advent of the rifle itself and the rise of the skirmisher. As mentioned, the rebels from the Crown used skirmisher tactics made possible by improvements in musketry to good effect versus the British in the Revolutionary War.

There was an evolution from the Revolutionary and the adoption of the rifle where American militia engaged in skirmishing tactics, rather than pitched battle; to skirmishers being an integral parts of all European armies in the Napoleonic Wars.

Skirmishers were central to fighting in the Napoleonic Wars as a way ti disrupt the enemy line and as Kerr demonstrates, fighting in lines went out of fashion at least in the civil war by 1862, He describes a kind of hybrid between Hardee's drills and more what John de Peyster envisioned.Quick evolution of skirmishing

We see this trend continue along with improvements in the Franco-Prussian War.

The German casualties were relatively high due to the advance and the effectiveness of the Chassepot rifle. They were quite startled in the morning when they had found out that their efforts were not in vain—Frossard had abandoned his position on the heights.[47]

The French breech-loading Chassepot rifle demonstrates as the rifle improved so did its impact on the tactics of armies on the day.

German tactics emphasised encirclement battles like Cannae and using artillery offensively whenever possible. Rather than advancing in a column or line formation, Prussian infantry moved in small groups that were harder to target by artillery or French defensive fire.[22] The sheer number of soldiers available made encirclement en masse and destruction of French formations relatively easy.[23]

So what we can conclude from our obseva of the Franco Prussian War - is that what took a greater role was the coordination of large armies in the creation of a General-Staff, as well as the use of both cavalry and artillery.

For the Americans drills were still probably the only way the generals on both sides could keep any semblance of control of the armies overall. Both sides were hampered by terrible or insubordinate unit commanders. Even when generals could make changes to strategy, he depended on his unit commanders to carry it out. The war's decisive movement often hinged on the lack or laxity of a subordinate.

Conclusion:

There was a distinct evolution during the war, consistent with benefits else derived form the use of the rifle, of infantry tactics. The rifle had a growing impact as other innovation improved its effective range on the battlefield by reducing smoke and better cartridges.

The rifle itself obviously had a real impact on the conduct of warfare over the course of the war.

However it wasn't the only driver of change in Civil War tactics. The existence of railways meant that armies could be moved greater distances with ease. Armies could be raised trained and equipped faster than before.

The increasing accuracy and proliferation of artillery meant that line formations wer no longer tenable. Units spears out to avoid the shellfire. The civil war really marked a transition point to Industrial warfare.

Commanders moved away from formations to favouring the defense and open infantry tactics. We see a lot of precursors to to the same technical challenges of using artillery to soften up prepared positions to trench warfare in WW1. The use of artillery also drove the dispersal of unit formations; as field artillery accuracy and rate of fire, it was simply too dangerous to form up in the open.

Both parties were cognizant of a rifle shortage early in the war but took to importing more rifles from Europe until domestic production took over the shortfall as happened in the North. The ability to produce more weapons than the south was one of the deciding factors in the war.

Rifles became much more prevalent as these changes from Hardee to more modern warfare (de Peyster) as each side had more to experiment too much.We see a clear trend as rifles become ubiquitous and powerful, we see the breakdown of traditional 'Hardee' combat..

The Prussians split their their infantry early in the F-P War, but nonetheless experienced heavy casualties from the entrenched French.As the rifle evolved infantry tactics evolved nations eliminated line infantry altogether.

As for why the war was so bloody? Well I think overall the general competence and inability to adopt to change methods of war in the first half of the war. Generals and commanders were unable to handle their formations or follow basic instructions. In the later half of the war, the attrition tactics adopted by Grant increased the focus on inflicting casualties on the CSA armies to allow the Northern industrial to over take the South. The battle of the Wilderness is a good example of this strategy at play.

There are more case studies but I think I'll publish this as draft for now

t 1,030,000 casualties (3 percent of the population), including about 620,000 soldier deaths—two-thirds by disease, and 50,000 civilians

sources

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_in_the_American_Civil_War

This random video offers a concise explanation as well.http://www.civilwar.org/education/in4/infantry-tactics.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petersburghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War

關於步兵戰術的說明:直到快速裝填的步槍(半自動或其他)問世之前,步兵都不具備阻止騎兵衝鋒的火力。只有緊湊的步兵編隊(正方形或錨定線)起作用。
似乎是一個合理的答案。我想知道1770年代和1860年代之間的戰場戰術如何?當您說美國軍官沒有大型軍隊的經驗時,這聽起來像是一個關鍵區別。有趣的是,聯邦制確實開始關注非常規戰爭。很久以前,我曾在高中學習內戰,但是隨著年齡的增長,我意識到內戰的破壞性和長期危害。不足為奇的是,我們在150年後仍在解決痛苦。
不少海報提到了“來福槍”的出現,但與此同時也要注意的是,在此期間,軍隊的平均規模顯著增長。滑鐵盧當時被認為是一場巨大的戰鬥,大約有18萬名參與者被告知。歐洲人仍然有與較大的軍隊打交道的經驗,但此時他們也遇到了指揮和控制方面的問題。美國人對大型軍隊的經驗很少,與歐洲人不同,沒有大型的常設軍隊。他們在控制大型部隊方面遇到重大困難也就不足為奇了。
即使是比這晚的民族國家,例如第一次世界大戰期間,在大型軍隊的指揮和控制方面仍然遇到重大問題。直到二戰之前,德國人才通過隨意使用收音機克服了這一問題。
@Anaryl“傷亡”不是既意味著傷亡嗎?
那是正確的。您指的是哪個數字?
加到您的分析中,Minie球/有膛線的小武器,它將比現在更好。偉大的框架挑戰。
我覺得它已經被擦傷了。我也打算對其進行更新,以涵蓋戰爭期間步兵戰術的小規模實例。
@Anaryl“ 75,300的聯合軍面對52,000的同盟軍。傷亡人數:聯盟:12,400同盟:10,300 1這些傷亡率肯定過高-超過20%的起亞,”我認為20%的起亞還是有一定差距的總數僅接近20%,其中還包括受傷人數。不試圖挑剔,只是澄清一下。
嗯,是的,我相信我會誤會,我記得在安提塔姆,工會剛剛結束,南部剛好在下面,實際上是模糊地說明了我們所處的鄰里關係。我顯然在某些時候混淆了兩者。包括了源,儘管可能很難看清(我正試圖使引用整潔)。我會修復它,因為我真的不相信它能完整地解決這個問題。
“儘管這在任何時候都沒有得到雙方領導人的真正認可”,這是不正確的。 《游擊隊遊俠法》於1862年4月由同盟國會通過,並於1864年2月廢除。
@aleksandrbarhavin,您是對的。我對偶然發生的transmissippi運動有一些了解。香港專業教育學院必須解決幾個問題。
公平地說,游擊隊員也只是叛亂分子的一種-並不那麼普遍。我確實錯過了partsian護林員的出色表現。
請注意,早在1806年在Auerstadt和1809年在Teugn,達武特訓練有素的第三軍團就相當有能力在有遮蓋的地形中以旅甚至師的小規模戰鬥。那是在載人超過2-1的情況下引誘普魯士人的秘密。
Denis de Bernardy
2016-07-31 15:39:05 UTC
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這篇關於內戰的更先進的步槍的文章強調:

大多數美國陸軍軍官在1861年接受過時的拿破崙式戰術教育,尤其是自從許多他們曾在墨西哥戰爭中服役,但仍然以滑膛槍和線性編隊的舊式作戰。

傷亡本身和戰鬥的血腥也是其結果第一次將早期機槍早期現代火砲結合在一起的戰爭。

(從某種意義上說,情況可能更糟:無菸火藥即將來臨。發射黑火藥會產生灰燼,除了干擾性武器外,還會產生濃煙,使戰場模糊不清;此外,軍方尚未意識到士兵經常不願向敵人開槍。)

為了向那些可能不知道的人澄清:*步槍*的射程和準確性比*滑膛槍*好得多。因此,在站成一行的同時互相射擊往往會在更遠的距離上造成更多的人員傷亡。
enderland
2016-07-31 22:30:31 UTC
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My understanding (which could be wrong) is that armies in the U.S. civil war were "bloody" in the sense that soldiers did not retreat or were sent directly into fire, until one side was wiped out. If I'm wrong about that please correct me.

Something to keep in mind is the scale at which battles took place in the Civil War. Battles were significantly larger in the Civil War than American Revolution. Gettysburg had over 150,000 soldiers (Wikipedia puts the total around 175,000).

By contrast, the Continental Army numbered approximately 16,000 at its peak. Even assuming this force size, the Union force at Gettysburg was still over 6x as large.

Effective guerrilla tactics also work at a smaller, more distributed scale. They are more difficult to perform with a centralized army, particularly one which has a rigid chain of command.

Keep in mind guerrila warfare works well for:

  • Harassing invaders/occupying forces
  • Smaller scale engagements

The long term effect is causing an army/nation to lose the will to fight or suffer loses significant enough to cause winning. But that winning is not through defeating an enemy, it is through breaking an enemy.

When the Civil War started, most thought it would be a quick, short war. With that assumption neither side would have had any interest in employing tactics which would imply they didn't think this is the case.

Guerrilla warfare does not work well for (among other things):

  • Preventing a numerical significant army from moving into your capital and removing your government
  • Establishing your nationstate legitimacy

Guerrilla warfare is far better as a tactical option when your ultimate end goal is not nationstate legitimacy but merely removing occupying forces. The South was trying to establish its independence and legitimacy as a nationstate. Conceding conventional warfare to the North and purely operating on a guerrilla harassment strategy in hindsight could have been their best strategy, but at the time, would not have made any sense, because it would run counter to their goal of legitimacy.

Additionally, Washington DC and Richmond, VA are only a bit over 100 miles apart. Without a concentrated conventional army either side could have fairly easily marched a large army into the other capital.

Additionally, the North wanted to keep the Union together. It would not be to their advantage to have anything other than a traditional "conquering" of the South. So realistically only the South would have had any benefit from a guerrilla conflict period - but that would not have really mattered as the North could have just conquered their capitol.

這比“正確”的答案更接近事實。
@Anaryl就是這樣的問題,在其他人已經收到了很多好評之後,發布答案... :(
是的,但是人們不應該贊成錯誤的答案。
懂戰爭的人真好。 +1。
Mark
2016-08-02 02:55:33 UTC
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我很好奇為什麼北方和南方沒有使用游擊戰鬥技術,如果這些技術在革命戰爭中有所幫助,我的意思是掩護,散佈等。

您所描述的是游擊手戰術,而不是游擊戰鬥,儘管游擊隊通常會使用它們。打算舉行比賽。從遠處進行有針對性的射擊,再從掩護處重新裝彈,這使小衝突者造成的傷亡比例過高。但是,成功取決於能否擺脫前進的部隊:如果他們設法接近小衝突者,那麼線性陣型的大量火力將使小衝突者撕成碎片。這意味著,如果一個線性陣型願意吸收人員傷亡,那麼小兵就無法制止他們。

小兵也很容易受到騎兵的攻擊。在發展快速裝載武器之前,只有緊湊的步兵編隊才具備火力或刺刀/刺的密度,可以避開騎兵。突襲者的移動速度不夠快,無法躲開,只能在騎兵到達前開一槍或兩槍,這在近距離戰鬥中處於明顯的劣勢。

EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
2016-08-01 20:27:49 UTC
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This is slightly off-topic, but an interesting side note to this is that a high percent of the casualties in the CW were actually due to non-battle-related deaths like disease, so this can make the war as a whole seem somewhat bloodier than it actually was.

Medicine at that point was obviously vastly inferior to what it is now, including in this area, and there weren't good vaccines for most diseases yet; in fact, the medical consensus hadn't even started consolidating around the germ theory of diseases until the 1850's.

Cephlin
2016-08-01 14:54:06 UTC
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Why were Civil War battle techniques so bloody

Most wars up until the civil war were not fought using "modern weapons" against another almost equal army also using "modern weapons". They tended to be a superior power with "modern weapons" fighting a weaker power without the use of the carbine rifles and artillery that made up the "modern weapons" of the day [this is the same reason WW1 and the Crimean War were so bloody].

It wasn't until WW2 when they really changed the art of war for two modern military powers fighting each other to employ far more guerrilla warfare and a change of tactics to engage less head on with big "modern" armies vs big "modern" armies.

They were still using the same tactics as Napoleon. The British continued to use the same tactics with great success against the Zulu as they were not using "modern weapons".

作為附帶說明,二戰後沒有多少戰爭是具有可比實力和能力的現代軍隊的正面交戰...
@DevSolar根本不是真的。阿以沖突提供了許多參加常規戰爭的近鄰對手的例子。僅舉幾個例子,還有伊伊衝突,三次印巴戰爭,一些非洲衝突以及朝鮮戰爭。
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Alexander Barhavin
2016-08-06 10:07:44 UTC
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革命戰爭從游擊戰爭開始,因為戰爭開始時殖民者沒有正規軍。陸軍成立後,游擊戰在戰爭中並未發揮重要作用;

相反,南北戰爭爆發時,雙方已經擁有正規軍隊,因此戰爭初期不需要進行游擊戰。 1862年4月,當聯邦政府佔領了聯邦的重要部分時,聯邦國會通過了《游擊隊員游擊隊法》,授權進行游擊戰。儘管游擊隊取得了一些成功的舉動(但是輕微但比實際效果更令人印象深刻),但在羅伯特·李和其他軍事領導人的壓力下,游擊隊游擊隊法案於1864年2月被廢除了。大多數游擊團體難以控制和紀律,無法贏得戰略上決定性的戰鬥,並且從人手不足的正規同盟軍那裡獲取了急需的資源。

1865年4月,羅伯特·李被迫投降了他的軍隊杰斐遜·戴維斯(Jefferson Davis)和其他人考慮採用游擊戰術作為繼續戰爭的一種方式。羅伯特·李(Robert Lee)強烈反對這一點。

他對準將愛德華·波特·亞歷山大(Edward Porter Alexander)的回答:

“如果我聽取您的建議,這些人將沒有口糧,也不會受到軍官的控制。他們將不得不為了生存而搶劫和偷竊。他們將成為掠奪者的一小隊,而敵人的騎兵將追擊他們,並衝破他們可能沒有機會參觀的許多地區。我們將帶來一個狀況,要從這個國家中恢復過來,”

他給杰斐遜·戴維斯(Jefferson Davis)的報告:

“黨派戰爭可能會持續下去,敵對行動會長期持續,造成個人的痛苦和國家的毀滅,但我認為通過這種方式實現獨立是沒有希望的。”

這並不是真的(您的開頭段落),它沒有發揮重要作用(儘管效果差異很大)。結束語最能提醒我們政治目標與軍事目標之間的關係。
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是的,我對它們很熟悉,並且我認為Lee的觀察非常回答了既了解目標又了解方法的人的問題。
DrMcCleod
2016-08-01 18:28:44 UTC
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有一個有趣的理論,美國內戰中的高人員傷亡率部分是由於雙方均未使用刺刀。從理論上講,一個人要抵制刺刀而又不退縮要比面對持續的步槍要站穩腳跟要難得多。

Tom Au
2016-08-05 02:12:46 UTC
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一個原因是“游擊戰”已被海溝戰所取代。

游擊戰的目的是讓實力較弱的一方(通常是防御者)“射擊並逃跑”並躲藏起來,從而限制了人員傷亡並保留了戰鬥力。這種情況一直持續到一側或另一側都精疲力盡(通常是在弗雷德里克斯堡,荒野和冷港的進攻北方人),直到同盟國在里士滿周圍的最後幾天為止。 (具有機槍和鐵絲網等新功能),在第一次世界大戰中(在西部戰線),甚至在第二次世界大戰的地方,例如(狹窄而多岩石的)意大利半島。



該問答將自動從英語翻譯而來。原始內容可在stackexchange上找到,我們感謝它分發的cc by-sa 3.0許可。
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